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LDA
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I 'd also add that the new 157 V6 3.2 will have a Aussie produced General Motors engine  
Too bad that Alfa's will behave like Opels or Daewoos...
Not too good.
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alfa are only using the gm block. the head, crank etc etc are all alfa parts. just the block is crappy yank gm rubbish.
they have been using this gm block for a while now i think.
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 10:43 am Post subject: |
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| Ravi - not logged (again) wrote: |
Hey again
I think I must have been mistaken about the car you're talking about - I'm not exactly sure what a GTiR Pulsar is?! I thought you just meant a Pulsar with a 200SX motor in it or something... Down in Australia we don't have such cars (that I've seen) as an AWD, majorly turbo-charged Pulsar, with Na filled valves, high lift cams etc etc!! Sounds like a mini Skyline GTR, only half the weight probably!!! Granted - that thing would probably eat up an Alfa 147 GTA.
The quickest Nissans (apart from the big Skylines) over here are the GT's and S15 Silvias. You mentioned the S15 Silvia - the specifications I can find for it says that it does the quarter mile in 14.80, whereas the ones I find for the Alfa 147 GTA say that it does it in 14.60. I reckon those two cars would be an awesome match on the track. Further, if you were a good driver, the difference between a 13.90 quarter mile and 14.60 quarter mile wouldn't be too difficult to make up on the track. My Dad used to race his 1969 Alfa 105 'GTA' (read Alfa 75 2.0 twin spark tuned to 180bhp) in the Targa Tasmania and hammered many turboed Jap cars through better driving...
The AWD of the Pulsar you mentioned earlier is a massive advantage, same goes for the Skyline GTR, Rex's and other such hyperactive turbo-charged Jap cars. But if a true comparison is going to happen - wait till the 147/8 GTA gets all wheel drive - it's likely the engine will be bored out to a 3.4 or 3.7 too, for even more power.
The 8C has already been built - I saw it at the Sydney Motor Show! However, whether the 1000 model production run ever happens is another thing...
R
PS - Paddy, where are you getting your Alfa news from? Sounds like you've got the contacts!! |
THIS is a pulsar GTiR
ok so that one has a front mount intercooler and new alloys but you get the idea.
i think they were called pulsar's in aus. i know there is a big owners club down under with some 600+ bhp cars!!!
s15 sivia's are not that fast tbh. and i would think that the 147 would do quite well aginst it on a track.
if they make a 4wd GTA 147/8 then i'd defo look into getting one of them. that would be a wonderful alfa! esp' if its got even more power and engine.
i hope the factory warranty is crap too, as i'd stick a turbo on it right away and void it from day one 
still i cant help thinking a smaller lighter engine would be better for such a small car, then stick a turbo on it for more power
go on alfa, dare you.
in a front wheel drive car you would need god like powers to get it to do .7 of a second faster up the strip.(and if the best time is 14.6 then you wont get it any faster anyway)
the 4wd means you can dump the clutch and go. you get a good 0-60 every time where as in a fwd car you have to be more careful with the revs to stop the wheels spinning up.
plus .7 of a sec up the strip is a lot. you need loads of extra grip or power (or both) to make up that kind of time. plus i much prefur track racing than drag racing. drag is all about power and money. track is more driver skill and then the car under the driver.
a good race would be the civic type R, focus RS and alfa 147. that would be very interesting. not sure if the focus RS made it down your end of the globe?
the alfa has the most power but the civic is a very tight handling car and the focus (even with less power than the 147) is quite fast. but like all hot hatches they are front wheel drive. 
1990 - birth of nissan pulsar GTiR 227bhp 0-60 5.1 top 147 1/4m 13.9 weight 1220(without air con)
no hot hatch has ever come close.
infact the only other hatch that is faster is the metro 6r4, but thats a group B rally car with mid mounted turbo v6. and they never made a road going vertion.
L.
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gritsop
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Hi,
The two photos of the Nissan car; in Greece the are called Sunny
Model of more than a decade; around 1992.
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LDA
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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yeh my mistake  they are called sunny's in england too but seeing as there wernt that many rhd uk spec sunny gtir's built i just call them pulsars.
in japan they are called pulsar's and i think down under they are also called pulsars. or at least their later rnn15 almera was called a pulsar.
why cant people stick to one name for their cars?! alfa seem do to ok with the numbers but many other cars have more than one name depending on where they are sold. silly really i think. unless the name translates to something you dont want. like the toyota MR2. not good in french.
or the vauxhall corsa. in spain it meant something they didnt want it to. not sure what as i dont speak spanish.
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paddy granger
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| Posted: Tue Dec 14, 2004 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Ravi - not logged (again) wrote: |
Hey again
The 8C has already been built - I saw it at the Sydney Motor Show! However, whether the 1000 model production run ever happens is another thing...
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Ravi - I mean the actual production model, I think every Alfa nutter has seen the concept car!!
It would be nice if they did built it, and the design team want it to be made in a production series (hint to your PS question btw), but the money simply isn't there. A shame really, as they have fully developed the concept into a production version. |
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paddy granger
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| gritsop wrote: |
Hi,
I 'd also add that the new 157 V6 3.2 will have a Aussie produced General Motors engine
Too bad that Alfa's will behave like Opels or Daewoos...
Not too good.
Regards, |
they have been using this gm block for a while now i think.
L. |
No - it is a new block. |
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paddy granger
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| LDA wrote: |
If they make a 4wd GTA 147/8 then i'd defo look into getting one of them. that would be a wonderful alfa! esp' if its got even more power and engine.
i hope the factory warranty is crap too, as i'd stick a turbo on it right away and void it from day one
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The GTA version of the 148 will be 4wd. The engine to be used in it is not actually decided yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if they shoehorn in a 3.6 JTS V6, with about 365 bhp. There are some rediculous rumours going around about two V8 options, but I really can't see this happening. The Alfa-Maserati parts sharing programme has probably got Paolo Massai dreaming up these crazy thoughts!
If Alfa don't come up with the goods in terms of bhp, you can be sure that Autodelta will have some nice conversion kits for the cars!
http://www.autodelta.co.uk/news/news_articles/111204_2005/article.htm
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gritsop
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Hi,
About the concept models which are produced only as prototypes.
My AR parts dealer who knows people in Arese in Italy said that the Centro Stile has hundreds of designs that have been inside the drawers for decades.
Fantastic styled cars have not been put in prototypes for the simplest reason; budget.
Few of these car designs have been the state of the art cars of the 60's and 70's Junior, Julia, Alfetta, Montreal, Julietta etc. when budget could permit the production of these. However during late 70's and 80's administrative problems were huge, thats why Alfa Romeo was sold to FIAT Group...
Now, as these people say, Alfa tries to catch up the lost years and become in years the legend of the past years again;and somehow with 156 this aim is close.
Regards,
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tvatavuk
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| Posted: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:18 pm Post subject: |
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| LDA wrote: |
why cant people stick to one name for their cars?! alfa seem do to ok with the numbers but many other cars have more than one name depending on where they are sold. silly really i think. unless the name translates to
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Alfa 75 was sold in USA under name of Milano, with same sucess as Montreal
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something you dont want. like the toyota MR2. not good in french.
L. |
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| LDA wrote: |
why cant people stick to one name for their cars?! alfa seem do to ok with the numbers but many other cars have more than one name depending on where they are sold. silly really i think. unless the name translates to
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Alfa 75 was sold in USA as Montreal
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something you dont want. like the toyota MR2. not good in french.
L. |
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You mean Milano 
Montreal was the V8 beast. |
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Thought the Milano was a kit car version of the 75 like the minari is to the sud/33.
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Alfa 75 was sold in USA as Montreal
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You mean Milano
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Yup, Me and my english  .
Montreal is one of my dream Alfas, powerfull engine, dry sump nice curves 
I edited original post in hope that it is now written like it should've been in 1st place.
Meaning that even AR had names and renaming policy for different markets.
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| Posted: Mon Dec 20, 2004 4:59 am Post subject: what a 147 gta should be... |
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alfa definitely isn't selling cars that come close to the vehicle's full potential. they haven;t done for a long time and that's why for me the sprint was pretty much the last alfa that had the looks and performance for a really enjoyable alfa driving experience.
this link (if it doesn't work, just cut and paste it) will take you to a very interesting article on what the 147 gta should have been (performance-wise) and some insights by jeremy clarkson. enjoy.
http://driving.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,12529-1089132,00.html |
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LDA
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i think if i spent 40k on any 'hot' (read tepid) hatch and then spent the change on mods i'd have a lovely car. UK touring cars are front wheel drive (except that one bmw) and they handle and race on a twisty tracks very well. just proving if you stick the right suspension and diff in your car it can lay the power down. (once you get moving)
175mph is a very good top speed and is 1mph faster than i managed in a top speed run over 1.25miles from standstill up a runway. also 5 secs to 60 is amazing for a front wheel drive car. but i bet you haev to work heard to get it down to 5 secs without any spin.
the 147 does have looks on its side too. i like the look of the car. alfa seem to be good at the styling part of their car design.
the part about fiat telling each car company what to do makes me think that the 8c wont be as good as well all hope it is. or it'll just never be built.
come on alfa. build be a rear or 4 wheel drive powerful car!!! how long do i have to wait?!
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the idea behind my post about the autodelta 147 is that while autodelta has to sell the car for a fair chunk more money than the stock gta, if alfa developed the car in the same sort of way it would be cheaper to buy because of economies of scale.
alfa has become a bit too soft in recent years and the cars don't have the edge they used to have. dynamically they're still good, but no longer are they at the top of the food chain. |
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| Posted: Wed Dec 22, 2004 2:32 pm Post subject: |
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the idea behind my post about the autodelta 147 is that while autodelta has to sell the car for a fair chunk more money than the stock gta, if alfa developed the car in the same sort of way it would be cheaper to buy because of economies of scale.
alfa has become a bit too soft in recent years and the cars don't have the edge they used to have. dynamically they're still good, but no longer are they at the top of the food chain. |
ok, cant argue with that.
please alfa, build us a powerful non front wheel drive car. and please dont take to long about it
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Hi Luke,
You never know about non FWD car.
But 148 GTA awd could be nice
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james
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sory guys, but you lot need to come up to acecafe, as sarain who owns the 147gta 3.7 pops in now and then, back in october he took me out for a spin in the 3.7. all i can say he drives it nicly and only outs his foot down in 2nd really hard, so smooth and clean. it is very quick.
i tryed to get him to play with my mates 147 gta to see how much faster is it, but the roads did't let them play.
but the fastest* v6 alfa i have been is in the gari's 145 3.0 V6 280bhp. nice monster. as its lighter and has coilovers all round its just a animal.
and thay are both impressed with my 33 and 145.
* fealing car
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