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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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Great work Alan!
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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Rich B Alfa 33
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 386 Location: Southampton
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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good job but I bet its f*****g loud!!! I had an OMP group N centre box on my car which had a smaller silencer than standard and that was extremely loud, with no silencer I reckon you'll be deaf in no time!!!
Just as an update EB Spares said delivery would be 3-4 weeks (a bit better than a year!!!)
Tally ho all
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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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I had that centre section on for about five minutes.... I was embarassed to let it idle even!
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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If i could build one i would, i asked for a quote from Powerflow to make one more that the rest of the system.
3 - 4 weeks, hmmm ill wait and see, fingers crossed _________________ x2 33 16v
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Scott Sander Alfa 33
Joined: 20 Feb 2003 Posts: 419 Location: Sydney, Australia
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Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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Alan,
Well done, any dyno figures? _________________ Scott Sander
'91 Alfa 33 Boxer 16V Monza - Awesome
http://www.sanderfamily.com |
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Alan Alfasud
Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 48 Location: Slovenia - Ljubljana
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Ben_nz Gold Cloverleaf
Joined: 30 Sep 2003 Posts: 575 Location: Auckland, New Zealand
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Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 12:20 pm Post subject: |
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33 cylinder numbering:
Front of car
2..1
4..3
Rear of car
Firing order 1,3,2,4.
Standard 33 exhaust manifold is a 4-2-1 design which joins cylinders on the left bank (2 and 4) and on the right bank (1 and 3) before they all join together in a single exhaust pipe.
Crossover manifold designs are 4-2-1 but join cylinders 1 and 2, and cylinders 3 and 4, before the resulting two pipes merge into one. Because of the firing order, this design increases power by improving exhaust scavenging.
But what would be the effect of a 4-2 crossover manifold, that still joined cylinders 1 and 2 and cylinders 3 and 4, but then kept these two pipes separate right to the back of the car, like old V8s used to do? Would it make more or less power than standard? And just as important, would it sound awesome or rubbish? _________________ "Now, all that is left to do ... is wait that something else brokens, to fix up again!" |
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johnboy 16 Valve
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 1061 Location: margate U.K
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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john 33_16v wrote: |
Alan - Wow!
Where did you get the parts?
How much did it cost to put that together?
How much to build to order? You could start a nice little cottage industry there!
Respect due.
John |
Hi Chaps
love the system man manifold is the nuts. i would be interested in the manifold if you could do it in kit form? as i have use of a welder
regards john _________________ WODA WE NEED? MORE POWER!!
Alfa gt jtdm blackline
1990 S2 16v veloce sleeping!
2002 ts gtv the wifes now
1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet |
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Alan Alfasud
Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 48 Location: Slovenia - Ljubljana
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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First problem is that i am from Slovenia (several 1000 miles away)
Second, my welding isnt realy professional. I can make a lot of things, but they are still homemade products (well it works for me ) |
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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:14 pm Post subject: |
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Alan... hope you don't take this the wrong way but John meant the parts only. John would do the welding!
Hvala,
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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Alan Alfasud
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johnboy 16 Valve
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 1061 Location: margate U.K
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Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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Alan wrote: |
Uff that is almost impossible. I make everything by sense, no calculations or sketches.
Maybe that's why friends call me MacGyver
Sorry but i don't have the skills to make all the pieces so that you could just weld them togheter. It's much easier to make the exhaust on the car. |
Hi alan
no problem,that is how i was going to do it. will have a play some
john _________________ WODA WE NEED? MORE POWER!!
Alfa gt jtdm blackline
1990 S2 16v veloce sleeping!
2002 ts gtv the wifes now
1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 5:55 pm Post subject: |
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rich b
when you get the manifold and you find that you need a new gasket, i found one from 01392258938 £2.79, part number is 60547140. Alfashop didnt have any and are £8 from them, my main stealer said that they are no longer available. The manifold gaskets i think are part number 60594405 x4 but not 100% on that _________________ x2 33 16v
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Rich B Alfa 33
Joined: 19 May 2003 Posts: 386 Location: Southampton
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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Got one already Al!! Belgian ebay - I snapped it up about 8 months ago!! Only 7 euros all in!!! |
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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 6:46 pm Post subject: |
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All alfa 33 inlet and exhaust manifold gaskets are being remanufactered by a company in India... now if only I could find the link!
I'll post it when I find it again.
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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johnboy 16 Valve
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 1061 Location: margate U.K
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:51 pm Post subject: |
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bobbber wrote: |
All alfa 33 inlet and exhaust manifold gaskets are being remanufactered by a company in India... now if only I could find the link!
I'll post it when I find it again.
Bob |
well done chap
as for the manifold will be making my own. i have plan.using alan's design and my own. watch this space.if it works and it will fingers crossed.mite make some more.but i dont work for nothing
john _________________ WODA WE NEED? MORE POWER!!
Alfa gt jtdm blackline
1990 S2 16v veloce sleeping!
2002 ts gtv the wifes now
1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet |
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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Fri Oct 05, 2007 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds cool John.... if you want a website to advertise... come and see me!
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 4:47 am Post subject: |
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bobbber, do you know if they will be the cat type? I think they have a metal center ring piece for the higher temp due to the cat.
rich b, glad you got one, i had fun finding it, glad i didnt find it when i bought that sports cat, otherwise i wouldnt have sent it back and got a 2 1/4" S/S system.
Johnboy, when you make your own, i wish i could have you concidered doing what was done with the 8v system. As in after nut removal space it flanges out to a larger bore, lets say 57mm instead of 50mm for the 16v. I did post a question re this but no one replied, what do you think? _________________ x2 33 16v
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johnboy 16 Valve
Joined: 26 Jun 2003 Posts: 1061 Location: margate U.K
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Posted: Sat Oct 06, 2007 11:54 am Post subject: |
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Johnboy, when you make your own, i wish i could have you concidered doing what was done with the 8v system. As in after nut removal space it flanges out to a larger bore, lets say 57mm instead of 50mm for the 16v. I did post a question re this but no one replied, what do you think? |
bigal sounds good to me.i was going to cut the standard manifold on the bend from the engine side.so i dont think it would be to hard to size it up abit.hopefully have a play in afew weeks time.when work out how much pipe i will need.
john _________________ WODA WE NEED? MORE POWER!!
Alfa gt jtdm blackline
1990 S2 16v veloce sleeping!
2002 ts gtv the wifes now
1997 seadoo gsx 800
1999 freestyle superjet |
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Alan Alfasud
Joined: 15 Aug 2007 Posts: 48 Location: Slovenia - Ljubljana
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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well my gasket didnt arrive yesterday, i called them up today and guess what... Its on back order from Italy and is due in week 4 of this month... yer right. Last time i went throught this was for my original HT leads from my main dealer and they took over 5 months.
Bobbber does that place that in india do manifold to cat gaskets aswel? Or does anyone else know where to get this gasket? _________________ x2 33 16v
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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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I kinda remember them having more :
http://www.chopraretec.com/gaskets1.asp?ci=10
I think the best way is to compare the ePer part numbers with the part numbers they have on there.
Hope that helps!
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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BigAl P4
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john 33_16v 16 Valve
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: herts, uk
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Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2007 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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BigAl wrote: |
part number is 60547140. Alfashop didnt have any and are £8 from them, my main stealer said that they are no longer available. The manifold gaskets i think are part number 60594405 x4 but not 100% on that |
Hi,
60547140 late cat flange gasket still available from alfa at £2.79+vat, got one yesterday from Perrys of Amersham, took 2 days:D
60546397 manifold gasket still available too, but at 7.86+vat each getting pricey.
Got to drop my exhaust for gearbox swap if i ever get the time.
John _________________ If it aint broke, fiddle with it until it is!
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08 Fiat Grande Punto Exotica Red
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BigAl P4
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