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ray · Alfa Arna Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Location: surrey

Does anybody know where I can get hold of the rubber mounts that hold the visco cupling in place on a P4? I would appreciate any help or advice on this subject.

tvatavuk · Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 2:21 pm Post subject:

Don't want to burst your bubble but they aren't manufacutered for last 4 years and are almost imposible to get new.
Every P4 owner on world would like to have those 2 mounts in his first aid kit.
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andys33horley · Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 4:56 pm Post subject:

scrap it ray why not
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stedee · Alfa 33 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: brighouse

i hear you can get the one but not the other.the one with 2 blocks on is the one that is hard to get(impossible) but i think you could modify the original one to work by cutting of the blocks and drilling a hole where the blocks were and findind some similar looking blocks off another car, i have seen very similar rubber mounts on something else but i cant remember what.the blocks i have seen are basically a cube with 2 threads coming out of opposite ends.if you get it work buy loads of those rubber blocks!!!!!!!!
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ray · Alfa Arna Joined: 23 Mar 2006 Posts: 23 Location: surrey

thanks for the advice, I will give it a go and search for similar rubber mounts! If you happen to remember what car they come from in the meantime please can you let me know? Very Happy

Driver X · Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:22 pm Post subject:

Could somebody please explain which part that is exactly, or better yet post a picture? I just bought a P4, and got the drive parts stripped as seen on the picture below, so I would like to know what is missing.

Thanx!

stedee · Alfa 33 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: brighouse

one of them is the rubber joint on the top right of your photo and the other one goes on the other side of the viscous coupling -its a round rubber with a bar on it with 2 square rubber joints on either side that bolt to the floor.
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Driver X · Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 2:49 pm Post subject:

Thanx Stedee!

The one on the picture is brand new, and when I talked to the previous owner of the car he told me about the other one I will have to buy, and he also said something about fitting something off a 75.

stedee · Alfa 33 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: brighouse

the one i have described is very very hard to get, you can either get a knackered one and do as i have said earlier in this post or if you can get one off a 75 - i didnt think the 75s were the same because they are only rear wheel drive
subaru and alfa designed the 4 wheel drive system together, there is a chance that old subarus might share parts of the drive system
good luck on getting one
if you sort something out tell me because i would like to know what you did because it is a problem with p4s
steve
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Driver X · Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 4:03 pm Post subject:

I'll keep you posted for sure, as soon as I find out the details.

Bellamachinna · Posted: Sat Sep 16, 2006 11:19 pm Post subject:

stedee · Alfa 33 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: brighouse

i had heard the owners of subaru (maybe fuji) collaborated with fiat in the design of the boxer engine and the drive train
it made sense to me because basically the subaru engine is a a copy of the alfa boxer engine
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stedee · Alfa 33 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: brighouse

also i thought maybe an old subaru justy or legacy might have a similar drivetrain because the japanese dont come up with ideas themselves, they just borrow other peoples designs and sometimes make them better
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Bellamachinna · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:16 pm Post subject:

Sorry.. that was me above

All the best
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tvatavuk · Posted: Sun Sep 17, 2006 10:47 pm Post subject:

DriverX part you re miisng and is most problematic to get hold of is part number 2. (1st picture in 3post from top (bobbers))
http://www.alfa-pages.co.uk/viewtopic.php?t=2583&highlight=

One on picture is 2nd visco coupling mount, and new ones do not manufacture but can be found in AR shops on some shelf, because same part was used on all 33 4x4 (not only P4) and as you have writen Alfa 75 used it.

1st mount was used only on P4 and has terible design making it very hard to replace with similar or making new one.

On yours picture I can see that 1st propshaft touched many times gearlever mount. (shiny ring scares in iron mid of prop shaft) There are
numerous resons for that-
- failed gearbox lower mount
- failed 1st propshaft mount
- failed cross joints on prop shaft (thre is one on each end of it)
- something loose

Before putting it all back (if you manage to buy at least used 1st visco mount ) make sure all cross joints are ok take prop shaft in hand and with other hand rotate joint in all directions it can move. Joint should be able to move using same force, if you need more force to move it into on some spots (or you feel blocking) that means one or more cylindic bearings failed.
Failed bearing will lead to shudder/bumping....premature failure or all mounts including welded spots.
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stedee · Alfa 33 Joined: 02 May 2006 Posts: 364 Location: brighouse

ok i was wrong , i will stand in the corner of the room facing the wall and cry Very Happy

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hugh jinjin · Alfasud Joined: 04 Sep 2004 Posts: 68 Location: Glasgow

I remember reading the same thing somewhere (about subaru) but it was the cruder 4x4 system used on the earlier (series 2?) 4x4 estate. I don't know if the p4 is simply a refinement of this or a new system altogether, but I do think that there is was link with subaru.