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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2007 10:22 pm Post subject: MOT time |
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Well I nearly forgot again!!
So the usual pre mot adjustments
Hand brake cable and rear wheel bearings. Will do tomorrow;
Remove rear hubs, sand lip off, repack bearings and adjust hand brake
Clean lambda sensor. Done at the beginning of July, do I need to do it again?
Check exhaust. Will do tomorrow
Check liquid levels. Will do tomorrow
Check lights. All seem ok
Re-fit original ecu chip. Will do tomorrow
Re-position air-flow meter W spring back to original position. Will do tomorrow
I do less that 60 miles a week if that and none during school holidays.
Anything else I should check? _________________ x2 33 16v
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Ian M Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 911 Location: Bath Somerset
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:01 am Post subject: |
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When youve done all that could come and do my 164 ?
Its due for mot next month _________________ Presntly own
Red Abarth 500c |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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john 33_16v 16 Valve
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: herts, uk
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: Re: MOT time |
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BigAl wrote: |
Anything else I should check? |
Check that you leave a £20 note on the passenger seat under the 'old ticket'!
Only kidding!
I usually make sure the battery is well charged, as one year the hazards made the lights go all disco too, and they failed it.
Like you i always manually adjust up the handbrake ratchet wheels at the back.
I used to have to dry out the headlights with a hairdryer from behind, 'till i got my nice new ones from bobbber.
Give the car a good thrash to get the cat and lambda working.
Cheers,
GOOD LUCK,
John _________________ If it aint broke, fiddle with it until it is!
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08 Fiat Grande Punto Exotica Red
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 7:01 pm Post subject: |
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£20 Doh! Oh yea! The headlights, Ill dry them out tomorrow as they are moist inside, must be a female car and the ones that are dry, either don’t get excited from being driven, or are male.
Hazard light switch on mine is temperamental to, so I will clean the contacts.
Hmmmm, wonder what else I could be reminded to do??
Any more??
I didn’t get round to doing handbrake/wheel bearing, as the weather looked as if it was going to pour down. I didn’t want to be half way only to get drenched. I’ll do it tomorrow.
Car took 25 mins idling from cold to radiator fan coming on. (ECU chip replacement) I now have that nice flat spot again, but car sounds a little raspier.
Thanks _________________ x2 33 16v
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andys33horley Alfa Sprint
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 118 Location: horley near gatwick
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Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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how about tyre depth _________________ just brought my first 33 16v |
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Ian M Green Cloverleaf
Joined: 13 Mar 2003 Posts: 911 Location: Bath Somerset
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Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2007 8:34 pm Post subject: |
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BigAl wrote: |
Hmmmm, wonder what else I could be reminded to do??
Any more?? |
How about seatbelt operation and check for fraying...Oh check for the old tinworm around the mounts _________________ Presntly own
Red Abarth 500c |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Sat Aug 25, 2007 2:10 pm Post subject: |
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FAILED on EMMISSIONS
I forgot that I was unable to re-tighten the manifold/cat gasket, when I tried to get it off last time. The tester was unable to let me tighten them up during an mot. He let me try at 4k rpm and then........ Steam everywhere. The pipe to the header tank sprung a leak as the temp was way up there. The fan did cut in but maybe a loose connection prevented it from working earlier. Mind you 4k rpm just sitting there with no air flow.
The tester asked if I want to stop the test but I said no, so it only failed on emissions.
TAFFE1st fast idle test - Limits - Actual Values - Results
Engine RPM - 2450/2950 - Manual check - Not Tested
CO % VOL - 0.30 - 0.42 - Fail
HC ppm VOL - 200 - 21 - Pass
Lambda - 0.97/1.03 - 1.01 - Pass
Then the water leek happened
TAFFENatural idle test
Engine RPM - 750/950 - Manual check - Not Tested
CO % VOL - 0.50 - 65.53 - Not Tested
TAFFEOverall Results - Aborted
How is the lambda reading obtained? I didn’t see him connect anything to the diagnostics connector, unless i missed him, or do they put in a manual reading? It said the same last year. My alfa garage said its possible a faulty lambda, but its within limits??
If garage does the work, then retest is free, who knows what their labor charges are, i forgot to ask, as they didn’t have any mechanics free, or £25 retest if work is done else where.
So I let my car cool down, topped it up with hot water, no leaks??? New jubilee clip needed I think. I think I may have poisoned myself as I took in a lung full of coolant steam.
So off I went to find that gasket that I couldn’t get last time. I ended up getting any old 50mm gasket, new copper nuts and bolts and a very nice man at a garage angle grinded off my old nuts and bolts, made this gasket fit, fitted the new copper nuts and bolts and filled all the little holes up.
I was not expecting him to do that, i just asked him if he thought that the gasket i had would fit.
How surprised was I? He didn’t want anything for it?
I had to give him beer money.
So retest set for Tuesday, I wish there was a place that did free emission testing, hmmm as my test was aborted, the mot garage actually hasn’t done a test.
I will clean lambda probe again.
Thanks for your input guys. _________________ x2 33 16v
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lee16v 16 Valve
Joined: 29 Jun 2005 Posts: 1429 Location: Devon, UK
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:50 am Post subject: |
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Best of luck for Tuesday.
£25 for a retest isn't bad...most places charge the full amount as it's classed as another test after 24 hours. |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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Thanks. Im still alive and breathing, although it felt weird for a while.
I replaced that factory fitted jubilee clip and disconnected the radiator temp sender and fan several times to clean the contacts.
It won’t be a full retest, only the emissions will be tested again, as that’s all it failed on. I hope it doesn’t overheat again. Maybe I should run it with the header tank cap off so it doesn’t get to high a pressure build up.
I thought that the boiling temp is lowered if at a lower pressure, as in high altitude when the boiling temp is lower. Does the same thing happen at high pressures and boiling temp lower as well? _________________ x2 33 16v
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 4:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well the MOT tester was willing for me to try and complete the original emission test. I thought I had fixed the leak by replacing the original alfa jubilee clip, but it was the header tank Doh! So I had to stop again. I didn't get a chance to get it really hot, plus the exhaust place I took it too put silicone around the holes, I don’t know if that would make a difference. So I will re-use my cat and cross my fingers. I now have 10 working days to do it. _________________ x2 33 16v
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Mingo Alfa Arna
Joined: 15 Dec 2006 Posts: 12
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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Apparently giving the car a good 10 minute ragging beforehand can help to pass the emissions test. I've heard it from numerous places/people. Just a thought. _________________ Bianco 33 1.7 I.E. |
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cloverleaf pat Alfa Arna
Joined: 11 Sep 2006 Posts: 14
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Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2007 6:13 pm Post subject: car |
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alan as to the pm i sent you i said about going DIVING not driving lol.
anyway im up for going to brands hatch to watch the alfas racing and we can go in my 145 cloverleaf also ok buddy. |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 9:30 pm Post subject: |
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Well ill be off to finish my emissions test again tomorrow, i hope and not a retest, with a new header / coolant tank, jubilee clip and new 2 1/4" stainless steel exhaust pipwork from cat back. _________________ x2 33 16v
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andys33horley Alfa Sprint
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 118 Location: horley near gatwick
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Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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try putting that redex fuel system cleaner in too it worked with mineexactly the same happend fingers crossed _________________ just brought my first 33 16v |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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I took it for retest today, failed, same co
Car is looked after and only does 30 miles a week, if that and it is a 30 mile motor way trip. I NEVER take the RPM’s above 2.5k – 3k until temp is at 80 degrees.
Thanks, I put some stuff in which is only available to trade £10 and did an Italian tune up from Brighton to Peas Pottage and back at 4k rpm.
I have tested the lambda sensor with an ecu diagnostics, no other errors came up and lambda was doing its thing within range.
I have new Original bosch HT leads, 2 are new other 2 were new as of Nov.
New platinum spark plugs were also fitted Nov.
Lambda sensor was new 1 or 2 years ago.
Lambda sensor was cleaned 1 – 2 months ago.
Oil was done Nov.
Oil filter was done Nov.
Oil was at correct levels.
Coolant was at correct levels.
Oil breather system was cleaned out Feb. and is still clean.
k&n cone air filter was cleaned and re-oiled 2 weeks ago.
Cleaned dizzy cap and rotor last week.
New stainless steel exhaust pipe work welded onto end of cat back, was told cat looked complete and ok.
Alfa garage said find a tuning place with an old style co2 meter.
Took it to a place that does krypton tuning, they said there is no adjustment on my system, only idle mixture.
Found a place that has old style co2 meter, Tried different airflow meter, hydrocarbons were too high. I replaced original air filter and box, no difference.
Other garage said try readings before and after cat and try new lambda sensor (even though its working properly??)
Most garages have said that if cat was not working it would read in the 3.00 – 6.00 instead of my 0.41
I’m beginning to loose that Alfa joy now, need help _________________ x2 33 16v
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andys33horley Alfa Sprint
Joined: 10 Jul 2006 Posts: 118 Location: horley near gatwick
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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mine passed some how so yours should sure there co2 machiene is working the garage who done mine over reved it to get it passed _________________ just brought my first 33 16v |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Admin Site Admin
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 1223 Location: Stafford, UK
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Posted: Fri Aug 31, 2007 11:29 pm Post subject: |
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Hi
Thought the CO2 limit that applied to the 33 would be 0.5%.
With the last 155 when it failed on emissions we took it for a thrash. About 5 miles in 3rd gear at the red line then straight into town to the MOT station.
All the best
Keith |
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Sat Sep 01, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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admin, the co for idle is 0.5 but for fast idle its 0.30, we let the car sit at 3k for a long time, mot tester burnt his hand taking probe out after
Well i just dont know what to do _________________ x2 33 16v
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BigAl P4
Joined: 06 May 2003 Posts: 2990 Location: U.K Surrey
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2007 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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update.
I got a second hand 16v cat from John 33 16v, Thanks John. I will get them to fit that and see how it goes then. I think cam timing might be out, need to check that first. Ill let you know how it goes. _________________ x2 33 16v
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bobbber P4
Joined: 14 May 2003 Posts: 2162 Location: The Greatest Town on Earth - Swadlincote, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 4:44 pm Post subject: |
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Admin wrote: |
Hi
Thought the CO2 limit that applied to the 33 would be 0.5%.
With the last 155 when it failed on emissions we took it for a thrash. About 5 miles in 3rd gear at the red line then straight into town to the MOT station.
All the best
Keith |
And did it pass Keith? Did it have an engine left?
Bob _________________ Fiat Bravo 165 Sport |
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Admin Site Admin
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 1223 Location: Stafford, UK
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2007 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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Passed and survived it quite happily.
Only sitting at 7K. Not much.
Held the bike 500rpm into the red in top for a while on a runway.
All the best
Keith |
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john 33_16v 16 Valve
Joined: 27 May 2005 Posts: 1406 Location: herts, uk
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:20 am Post subject: |
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Admin wrote: |
Held the bike 500rpm into the red in top for a while on a runway.
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The Bimota?
How fast was that?
John _________________ If it aint broke, fiddle with it until it is!
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Admin Site Admin
Joined: 19 Feb 2003 Posts: 1223 Location: Stafford, UK
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Posted: Fri Sep 21, 2007 11:26 am Post subject: |
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Hi
Not as quick as the Bandit. But the Bandit has abotu 40hp more at the back wheel.
Best from the Bimota is 176.5mph. Best from the Bandit is 181.8mph.
All the best
Keith |
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