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ZeNiTh-PbArM
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Hi,
In my experience, a 33 in good condition will not require to be revved to initiate alternator operation.
Mine got a 55A Bosch unit and the light will go off as soon as the car is started, even when starting without touching the accelerator.
Notice that it's possible to cheat by fiddling with pulley diameters to increase alternator rpm but beware of high revs, alternator bearings are not rated above 20 000 rpm
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BigAl
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thanks ZeNiTh-PbArM
I have a new brush set already unused, looks like another, follow this guide from bobbbers pages then 
The 33 is the only car i have seen where this happens.
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BigAl
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Apart from removing the contact resistance, is there any other way to decrease the cable interstrand resistance, apart from running another wire parallel?
Can maintenance be done on cables?
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Oggie
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I know its an old thread but it was me who replaced the bulbs to leds in my dash, it required a bit of work as like bobber said the leds are too directional so i cut and soldered 2 leds with resistors at staggered intervals (one longer than the other) and bent one led to spread the illumination. The original blue/green cover lenses had to be removed and the dash is a very cool bright white except the fuel/temp guages which are a light blue, it has really made a difference. Also I have now fitted HID xenon headlights again a bit of a fiddle but the car has better lights than most cars now. I thought about changing the brake lights to led but any bulbs Ive seen in use are too consentrated in one spot and cause the red warning light on the dash to light up due to no resistance and very little voltage drop when illuminated. 
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Lee
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What do you think of the HIDs on H4 bulbs? any good, ive fitted HIDs to the 155 but wasnt sure if it would really be worth it on the 33.
What about main beam as most HID cars use projector headlamps which are single beam as well.How do you get round that with double filament bulbs?
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Hi
HID lights are probably technically illegal. They should only be fitted to cars with self levelling suspension.
All the best
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Oggie
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I checked to see if was illegal with my mot garage and they said its fine, there is nothing within the mot regs to stop it from failing  . And to add to the point of getting round the twin filiment low beam /high beam issue the hid unit has a shroud around the bulb so when you switch to high beam the shroud retracts exposing more light to the reflector!! cool eh? 
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Lee
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Ah so it must use a solenoid to move the shroud
As for the HID`s, spoken to a traffic cop buddy who assures me that its a grey area for HIDs, technically new cars must have a cleaning system on the headlamps due to the fact snow can build up as Xenon produces no heat.
As Oggie says they should be generally MOT passable, but the legislation was recently ammended to allow the retro fitting on cars as they are legal in Europe so the government allowed them here.
And they do look mighty fine
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| Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 12:23 am Post subject: |
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| I checked to see if was illegal with my mot garage and they said its fine, there is nothing within the mot regs to stop it from failing . |
Plenty of things will pass an MOT while being illegal.
However quick search round and I found this quote from the DfT.
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Fact sheet: Aftermarket HID headlamps
December 2006
In the Department's view it is not legal to sell or use after market HID lighting kits, for converting conventional Halogen headlamps to HID Xenon. If a customer wants to convert his vehicle to Xenon HID he must purchase completely new Xenon HID headlamps. The reason for this is that the existing lens and reflector are designed around a Halogen filament bulb, working to very precise tolerances. If one places a HID "burner" (bulb) in the headlamp, the beam pattern will not be correct, there will be glare in some places and not enough light in other places within the beam pattern.
The following is the legal rationale:
The Road Vehicle Lighting Regulations 1989 regulate the situation in the UK.
Under these Regulations, HID/Gas Discharge/Xenon headlamps are not mentioned and therefore they are not permitted according to the strict letter of the law.
However new vehicles have HID headlamps. This is because they comply to European type approval Regulations. The UK cannot refuse to register a vehicle with a European type approval. These are to ECE Regulation 98 (for the HID headlamps which are tested on a rig in a laboratory) and ECE Regulation 48 (Lighting Installation on the vehicle).
For the after market, a used vehicle cannot obtain type approval because it is only applicable for new vehicles. However we feel that saying "HID is banned in the after market" would not be reasonable. Instead we should make analogies with new vehicles. It would be reasonable to require HID in the after market to meet the same safety standards as on new vehicles. The same level of safety should apply.
Therefore a HID headlamp unit sold in the after market should:
1. be type approved to ECE Regulation 98 as a component.
2. when fitted to the vehicle should enable ECE Regulation 48 to be complied with (although no government inspection will take place).
3. Comply with RVLR as far as "use" is concerned.
In practice this means:
1. The headlamp unit (outer lens, reflector, bulb) shall be type approved to ECE 98 and be "e-marked" to demonstrate this. That can only be done by the headlamp supplier - Hella, Valeo etc. who must test the headlamp in an independent laboratory.
2. Once fitted to the vehicle it must have headlamp cleaning and self-levelling (which can be for the headlamp or can be in the vehicle suspension - some expensive estate cars have "self-levelling suspension" and that is adequate). Also the dipped beam must stay on with the main beam.
3. The headlamp must be maintained in good working order, kept clean, and aligned/adjusted correctly like any other headlamp.
Under the Road Traffic Act 1988 it is an offence to supply, fit or use vehicle parts which are not legal.
In summary it is not permitted to convert an existing halogen headlamp unit for use with HID bulbs. The entire headlamp unit must be replaced with one designed and approved for use with HID bulbs and it must be installed in accordance with the rules stated above.
If you require any further information regarding the regulations covered by this fact sheet, please contact the DfT at the address below:
Transport Technology and Standards 6
Department for Transport
Zone 2/04
Great Minster House
76 Marsham Street
London
SW1P 4DR
Telephone: 020 7944 2078
Fax: 020 7944 2196
Email: TTS.enquiries@dft.gsi.gov.uk |
http://www.dft.gov.uk/pgr/roadsafety/drs/hidheadlamps
Although you would be unlucky to get done, it would give an insurance company a very easy way to avoid paying out for a claim (or more precisely, paying out and then claiming back their costs from you).
All the best
Keith
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Oggie
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Cheers for the link al, I might try a pair.
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BigAl
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No worries Oggie, always glad to help. When i bought my dash bulbs i got a free gift "front side light leds" you should aswell as its over £10. All that will be left is indicators
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Lee
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heres the same thing but from a traffic cops view over on 155.org
http://alfa155.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11964&highlight=hid
11 posts down is the green light, but yeah what youve listed is still right Keith
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And the chances of finding any E marked ones is?
Although you might find some where the box is E marked. Meaning the box complies with regulations .
All the best
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Will have a look at the box I bought, I know its definately TUV marked.
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BigAl
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Last Tuesday i got a flashing light in the console for the lights on buld, then one of the lights behind the clock started to flash. This time i know its the LED's due to the flashing clock LED fiasco. I thought LED's were supposed to last longer than ordinary bulbs, WAPITA
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JeremyC
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I hate HIDs, they are too bright and dazzle other drivers. They are meant for fitting to vehicles with self levelling suspension only. Even when they are then they are still too bright and carry on being so long after the self levelling has given up the ghost.
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Bellamachinna
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| Hey, anyone got a 33 with ABS? |
I do...
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BigAl
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The light output on our 33's is crap, with those fitted would porbably only just ook like normal lights 
Bellamachinna
I asked because I wanted to fit the T2 tester to my car with no ABS using the ABS light in the dash, I needed to know where to connect it all.
Not needed now as I no longer use the OEM ECU.
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JeremyC
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Decent bulbs and decent earths is all you need, you don't need to sear the retinas of oncoming drivers.
Our old 1.5ie had crap lights but the 16v with the same units is very good so it's obviously a car problem not a design problem.
Ironically the best lights on any car I've driven are on my '63 Sprite, progress huh!
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Oggie
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Al with those ratings you may cook the old headlight harness wiring or the plastic H4 connector on it. Did this on mine with some 100w H4s, luckly just the headlight harness.
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